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    EMPATHY
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    THIS 'COMMENT' WILL SMACK YOU IN THE EYE

    Post  EMPATHY on Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:05 am

    http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14248



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    21.
    Gmopp28,
    I echo your sentiments. For 30+ years I’ve been around this business it
    never ceases to amaze me the crap the public will buy into in the name
    of “fandom.” To borrow a line from you: “I’m a bit tired of you Michael
    lovers who believe anyone who doesn’t say nothing but positive things
    about MJ is a traitor.”



    I knew MJ & I know Q. Yep,
    that’s true, my name can be found on every studio project they worked
    on. MJ was without question one of – if not the – greatest entertainer
    to grace the stage. His artistry, dedication and discipline were awe
    inspiring. But for as sweet and kind as he could be off stage, & HE
    WAS, he could also be a real SOB. Like many great artist in history MJ
    was equal parts genius and madness. You may not like it but just because
    you choose not to believe something & it does not fit into your
    fantasy does not make it any less true. MJ would stab you in the back
    quicker than anyone if it meant getting his way --> don’t doubt it.
    He was an incredibly fickle man. MJ also had a terrible habit of taking
    credit for others work on projects. 



    Quincy Jones is a good
    man. He is a wonderful friend to those of us lucky enough to be in his
    life. How dare ANYONE criticize him for expressing the truth about his
    relationship with MJ when those of you who don’t know ANY of the parties
    involved spend an exorbitant amount of time posting your comments and
    opinions. Good, bad, ugly or indifferent, it does not mean he mourns
    MJ’s loss any less. In the end MJ was horrible in his treatment of Q.
    Publicly MJ always took MORE than half of the credit for their – or any
    of his – professional collaborations. MJ went off the deep end in EVERY
    aspect of his life and Q – who is no stranger to crazy himself at times –
    tried to reign him in, but there was no talking to MJ, it was his way
    or the highway. For those of you who want to bash Q for his comments
    about MJ’s changing skin color – HERE’S ANOTHER FACT: HE’S 100% RIGHT.


    It
    was obvious to anyone who spent a substantial period of time with MJ
    (even as far back as the 80's) that he suffered from Body Dysmorphic
    Disorder. On more than one occasion I personally witnessed MJ recoil -
    yes, recoil - at the sight of his own reflection. Then the surgeries
    started one after the other. Q IS THE ONLY ONE WHO LOVED & CARED
    ABOUT MJ ENOUGH TO CALL HIM ON IT & URGED HIM TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL
    HELP FOR HIS PROBLEM, and MJ repaid his concern by stomping out of more
    than one studio session! I know this for fact because I was there.


    Like
    it or not, FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD of his life MJ did not want to be
    Black. He believed it was part of what (in his mind) made him ugly. The
    man went to great lengths to make sure his own children would not be
    Black or have Black features. He went out of his way to divorce himself
    "personally" from the Black community & was only Black when he felt
    it would serve his purpose (think trial), if questioned by the media –
    or they (the Black community) offered him an award. (True story.)


    UNDERSTAND,
    MJ WAS NOT A RACIST. But he was self-loathing. MJ didn’t care if you
    were Black, HE DID NOT dislike Black people, HE just did not want to be
    Black. It’s a fact. I say this as a Bi-racial American who was at first
    horrified by this truth, and then upon seeing for myself that there was
    really an "illness" behind his actions, I came to pity MJ. MJ just
    didn’t find Black beautiful or attractive, & he certainly felt that
    Blacks were intellectually inferior in a majority areas, especially in
    business. WHO KNOWS HOW OR WHY he came to be this way, BUT HE DID.


    MJ
    was using skin bleaching creams for years, YEARS – long before the
    public caught on – and everyone around him knew it. (So did LaToya by
    the way – or do you all think she has just gotten lighter due to age?)
    This info has even been confirmed (publicly) by numerous sources over
    the years, including former relatives, co-workers, employees, &
    biographers alike and has fallen on deaf ears. God-forbid MJ fans
    consider any truth that does not serve to extend the MJ myth. IT is in
    large part the reason why his more prominent Black friendships (Q,
    Diana, Lionel, etc.) fell apart.


    When MJ's skin tone started
    to become uneven in areas DUE TO his repeated over-beachings, SUDDENLY
    he had Vitiligo. READ THE AUTOPSY. The ME DID NOT INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRM
    the diagnosis of the disease, he recorded that there was "a lack of
    melanocytes in areas of the skin that presented CONSISTENT with
    Vitiligo", and listed the condition in the report (as noted) only
    because it was a part of preexisting medical records indicating MJ was
    “treated” for Vitiligo. Only ONE doctor’s records - Arnold Klein, MD -
    ever reflected a diagnosis of Vitiligo. (& MJ’s doctors took their
    orders from him.) The report could just as easily said “CONSISTENT” with
    repeated skin bleaching.” That will be one of the bombshells to come
    out at trial. The autopsy report also shows that ALL OTHER ORGANS &
    BODILY SYSTEMS COMMONLY EFFECTED & TESTED TO VERIFY A VITILIGO
    DIAGNOSIS in a (ANY) patient - the eyes, the endocrine system, etc. -
    were found to be “UNREMARKABLE” and showed NO SIGNS of the disease. The
    autopsy report also notes finding plenty of MJ’s prized melanocyte
    destroying bleaching creams in his house.


    And to the “fans”
    who say it was hereditary: THAT WAS MJ's BIGGEST COUP. There is NO PROOF
    – NOR WILL THERE EVER BE – that MJ’s paternal grandfather (or any other
    blood relative) EVER had Vitiligo. Only MJ’s word and that of family
    members WHO KNEW BETTER THAN TO GO AGAINST MJ's ORDERS lest they risk
    being cut off financially. It was an outright LIE. (One fabricated by
    Bob & MJ, invented for Oprah, and perpetuated by family &
    diehard fans to save face.) Come on now, how convenient, blame it on a
    distant relative who was dead long before MJ was even born.


    DON'T
    BLAME Q FOR KEEPING IT REAL. MJ’s GREATEST talent was his ability to
    MANIPULATE the media and the (his) public. He WANTED you to view him as a
    demigod. For him it was sport. MJ’s fate was of his own making. That
    may be a bitter pill swallow but it is no less the truth. There’s lots
    of truth yet to come. Keep the lawsuits coming, and all the TRUTH will
    become a part of the record & MJ's final legacy, & not just the
    "image" the Estate is trying to preserve. There were SO MANY wonderful
    things about MJ that should be remembered & celebrated, but in
    truth, there was another side that the public will not take kindly to,
    and sadly, when it does, MJ's Estate will never recover.


    _________________
    "You and I must make a pact, we must bring salvation back,
    whenever you need me, I,ll be there".

    - MICHAEL JACKSON TAROT
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    Re: THIS 'COMMENT' WILL SMACK YOU IN THE EYE

    Post  EMPATHY on Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:09 am

    Well I will comment on the comment and ok its not right to laugh, but we are talking about Michael here. Michael is,nt all honey and sweetness and that much is reflected in all his astrological charts. He was primed to be a businessman and a hard nosed one at that, lest anyone forget that you cant stay in the music business as a big icon without fastidiously supporting that whatever the cost.

    I still feel that Michael did 'what he had to do' and reports/comments like this may come out more and more in the future. Even if they do, people have to remember that Michael was a human being not a robot, not a fantasy figure, not a machine, but a man. He had a lot to preserve and he had a lot of misery that he suppressed in his life let alone the dynamics of a very large and successful family background.

    There are many reasons for everything, nobody should judge him - he was where he was because of the essence of what he was. Whatever that was, it was good enough for everyone over the years, so its best to let sleeping dogs lie and celebrate his celebrity which is what people SEE.

    What they dont see about Michael IS HIS BUSINESS and I for one think Michael is entitled to that kind of privacy dont you?


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    Post  butterfly on Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:58 pm



    There are always 2 sides to every story. So who's right??? I won't be the judge. Sometimes hard love is required in situations. With someone of Michael's calibre, who could he trust???


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    Re: THIS 'COMMENT' WILL SMACK YOU IN THE EYE

    Post  EMPATHY on Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:59 pm

    I dont think he ever really trusted anybody - he probably wanted to but ......


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    Post  Joygirl on Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:36 am

    Wow, What an interesting statement. I guess it does bring a lot of MJ Fans back to reality, and makes us all remember that he is just a man, like you mentioned Empathy. But really wow haha

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    Post  kitkat71 on Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:18 am

    I went on the web site to see what the reactions were to this and let me tell you they were big .There was a guy from Canada that put a reply ,who seems like he knew MJ but doesn't come right and says he does ,and oh boy does he have alot to say about Q .Then there is a person who has been on there since July ,and says they knew Michael and has alot to say good and bad ,but they also say that they know for sure that Mike did die on June 25/09 .That a big caused disruption on the forum,they asked her how she knows for sure and she basically said that it is secret .She said that she is going to talk to the Jacksons and have the site shut down.So as you can see this really caused a big stir with alot of people ,whether they claim to know MJ or not,but in my opinion the only one who new him was MJ himself ,he let people see what he wanted them to see,which is no different then anyone else in this world .Famous or not we are only Human.It was really quite interesting to read but long 13 pages.

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    Post  Guest on Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:30 am

    I agree here, and you know everyone has two sides, everyone has a breaking point too:) Some of the fans seem to forget this was a ( and still is) business, and a huge one at that , millions and millions to be made, and MANY contracts that one could not get out of, I mean sometimes I wonder if the hoax is making money for them? Look at the new website that just came up.. it's a game site, some are getting confused , you have to spend money to play the game..
    One has to wonder if they are keeping track, funny how planet Michael came up wouldn't you say?

    I feel like smacking my forehead right now, did we all by into it?
    PlanetMichael domain reads it was created in 2002???
    So was this all freaking planned??? If it was a free site,about world unity, or changing the planet I would be thinking diff right now, but I feel us who truley want to live in light and love have been USED???

    I don't what to think anymore I really don't.

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    Post  starfish on Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:29 pm

    lovemj2 wrote:I agree here, and you know everyone has two sides, everyone has a breaking point too:) Some of the fans seem to forget this was a ( and still is) business, and a huge one at that , millions and millions to be made, and MANY contracts that one could not get out of, I mean sometimes I wonder if the hoax is making money for them? Look at the new website that just came up.. it's a game site, some are getting confused , you have to spend money to play the game..
    One has to wonder if they are keeping track, funny how planet Michael came up wouldn't you say?

    I feel like smacking my forehead right now, did we all by into it?
    PlanetMichael domain reads it was created in 2002???
    So was this all freaking planned??? If it was a free site,about world unity, or changing the planet I would be thinking diff right now, but I feel us who truley want to live in light and love have been USED???

    I don't what to think anymore I really don't.


    I see that you know well, Marketing, Economics...Do not be so angry, that's life. Look to the brighter side.
    Yes, you can to become their slave or not...decision is only yours.

    Something for you cheer up. I love you. I love you



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    Post  Guest on Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:15 am

    @ Star
    I just don't like when something comes into my mind and I can't shake it.But I still support MJ.. just not the money makers, all I can say this must be out of his hands.

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